Purchasing a Musican Pixel

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Purchasing a Musican Pixel

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The Commonwealth Real Estate Company, Limited
Shirekeep Office

Greetings O Melodious Nation,

I seek to purchase a Musican pixel priced in the range of 200-500 Erb.

Not on a border, not on the coast, not next to a city, just out in open plains or undeveloped expanse is fine.

This land would besold again for profit, not my profit, but the Company's.

Signed,

Giles

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Thank you for your offer, Mr Melang. I don't believe this has been done before in our Federation, or in either of its constituent Imperial States. There is nothing to my mind that makes it contrary to the law, though the manner of ownership of the land would have to conform to Shirerithian law, as well as Musican law and the law of the state in which the land lies.

Would anyone consider this proposal? Many lords within Musica hold land that could be sold.

I would also like to know more about Commonwealth Real Estate - where is the company based, and where is it registered?
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The County of Acaridea has 144 sq.km. to sell. For the price of 500 Erb you would receive prime beachfront property on the western coast of Florin Sara.

- Saebay Polovi
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Saebay,

I hope you can understand my confusion after reading this...
Marcus Lucius Praetor,
Consule de Republica de Tyrenia.

un persona de Giacomo

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I would like to ask the Federation of Musica to think very hard before it ventures into this market. While I am sure legal problems can be solved, I don't see any of those who like to sell their motherland think very hard about that. Nor do I see an ethical debate about this, in fact in Tyrenia it was said that they could easily deploy their military against the buyer if the felt like it. I would like to strongly object to such land transfers for short-term gain. Land should be rewarded to people who culturally develop this not to the highest bidder. The consequences of this practice becoming common practice could be very grave if no legal framework exists that protects those who actually like to do "stuff" in micronations and are not mere money wolves.

For example consider the consequences of tomato planters buying all the fertile cabbage fields, it would be the end of humanity as we know it.

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Dear Mr Barentsz, thank you for your comments. You clearly feel very strongly about this matter. In my view, the Federation's central district and constituent states have a lot of pixels, many of which are unused. By selling a small amount of land, a given lord will probably not be substantially diminishing his enjoyment of his holdings as a whole. If the price is right, it seems like a good deal, as long as relevant contractual safeguards are put in place, there is no hint of transfer of sovereignty, and the land is not used in any way contrary to the laws of the various Shirerithian legal spheres that exist.

If Mr Melang chooses to buy land with his erb, and does nothing with it, eventually he will run out of money. I imagine the capital investment he is planning is with a view to raise more money. Business is so hard to get going in our sector, I beg that you don't snuff it out before it even sprouts.
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Hugo wrote:The County of Acaridea has 144 sq.km. to sell. For the price of 500 Erb you would receive prime beachfront property on the western coast of Florin Sara.

- Saebay Polovi
Good Count, hail. It is too long since you visited the President's palace! Come and have some good Latêr. It is an Elwynnese fortified wine which the port capital of our federation has found in great abundance now that eastern Benacia has been reunited. Here is my drawing room:

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Note that wood is still considered a valid building material even for the grandest residence in our fair city despite its reputation for combustion - the carpenter/mason/bricklayer iron triangle reigns supreme, damn closed shops.

Anyway, one of my legal officers is happy to offer advice pro bono re publica on what sort of terms should make up the contract for sale of land, and which terms might encumber the future land holding.
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M. Lucius Praetor wrote:Saebay,

I hope you can understand my confusion after reading this...
Why the confusion, good sir? Have we ever met?

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When in Musica, I always wear a dress woven from asbestos fibre. I've been told that it causes cancer in humans, but I've noticed any ill effects.

Anyway...I have no strong feelings on this subject. If Mister melang is prepared to pay and a local noble is prepared to sell, then be it upon their own heads.
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Saebay, please post a map and coordinates of the pixel. If it checks out as
a possibly profitable purchase, I would then request a Land Patent granted from
either you or the Dirigent of Musica or preferably the Kaiser. Please note that this
land ownership is subinfeudated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subinfeudation . Thus the County, the Federation,
and the Kaiser, lord paramount would retain the ownership at the higher
feudal levels. The level of ownership received by the company would be that
of landlord, or tenant paravail.

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The Count Polovi has expressed interest - the fine details are down to the lawyers, in negotiation with Commonwealth Real Estate. I restate my offer of legal advice to the former. As Dirigent of Musica, I am legally the guardian of the Federation, its capital and its legislature, but I am in moral terms guardian of all the lands which constitute that same federation. I consider it a happy obligation.
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I hereby withdraw my offer, due to the the will of the people. This land is sacred to us, and I am ashamed to have even entertained the thought of betraying the Kaiseress, the Federation and the County.

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No one is betraying the Kaiseress.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but the Kaiser(ess) has no say over the territory of an Imperial State, provided it is active and does not attempt to secede. So there's absolutely no point asking me or even the Diregent to issue a "land patent" because neither of us has any authority to distribute land belonging to Yardistan.
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It wouldn't be a betrayal because I didn't ask the Imperial Throne for permission, it would be a betrayal because when my people arrived, these lands were given to them by the Imperial Throne, before this new system.
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Fair enough; I was confused because you spoke of betraying the Kaiseress.
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Nobody betrays the Kaiseress without her express permission! :king:

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Mira Raynora Minor wrote:Fair enough; I was confused because you spoke of betraying the Kaiseress.
I would be betraying you as the person who sits on the Imperial Throne :8
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Hugo wrote:I hereby withdraw my offer, due to the the will of the people. This land is sacred to us, and I am ashamed to have even entertained the thought of betraying the Kaiseress, the Federation and the County.

Count Saebay Polovi
If you consider selling a pixel of land to a private company for the
purpose of development that would not only increase your own
pocketbook and the economic development of your County to be
betraying the Kaiseress, the Federation and the County, then I
suppose you are reverting to a completely feudal reality in which
private individuals and private companies do not exist and there are only
royals of various levels of peerage and their virtually powerless peons.
If that is so, so be it. But land ownership does not equate sovereignty and
is purely an economic exchange that should have no politics involved, and
you can find many others who would and will agree.*










* But of course there would be some politics involved inevitably, for better or
worse, because this is Micras. My point is that it really should be kept to a minimum
because this is how Andreas and proponents of micro-national economics would
agree is the most realistic simulation, unless perhaps you are referring to a totally
feudal society in which land ownership cannot be bought or sold even down to a
single acre.

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Given that Montauk was able to sell a pixel of land to someone,
would Musica be willing to reconsider this offer and sell a pixel
to me now that the concept has been proven to be possible?

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We shall certainly consider it now that the possibility has indeed been shown to work.
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