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    Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Scott Alexander » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:28 pm

    So, crazy idea time. What if we allow anyone to claim on the Pelagia map?

    Right now, Archipelago is many things. The map. The Senate. The joint simulation. The contests. And the forum.

    If we start advertising ourselves as more of a cartography society, then we can get new nations like Oscland, which might otherwise claim on Micras, to claim on Archipelago instead. Then they can participate in the Senate, and in the in-sim activities and contests, and we can be a bit more active, which helps everyone.

    Essentially, we'd be setting ourselves up in direct competition with the MCS (I would want a rule that you can't claim land on both maps; if you're not fully devoted to the Archipelago simulation I don't want you on here, and it would be miserable if Babkha or Shireroth tried to claim).

    Benefits would be more nations involved, costs would be - well, having to deal with the sort of things that pass for micronations these days and might not be as dedicated to cultural development as we would like. But I think it would be worth a shot.

    Anyone else have an opinion?
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Rei Milharna » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:39 pm

    I'm 0k with that.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Harvey » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:04 pm

    Scott and I talked about the idea briefly and I'm all for it. Possibly the coolest part of the idea is that we can run the whole thing with expansion credits, preventing the ambiguity of the MCS claims ("has this nation done anything in the past 6 months to warrant doubling in size? Eh whatever AYE") as well as encourage people to join in our contests and things here.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Aryeztur » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:48 pm

    I'm ok with it.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Andreas the Wise » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:26 pm

    I think if you have the rule against joint claims its fine.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Kallinn Ynnetrrr » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:58 pm

    I'm a bit iffy on this, honestly. Do we really want another schism akin to the MCS/Geiss incident? If we were to open Archipelago up like that, yes, we'd want a rule saying no joint claims, but that seems like a silly thing to do with pretty substancial consequences if enough nations make the switch. And again, we're letting micronations into a project that was originally meant to deviate from the standard micronational model.

    I'm not entirely opposed, I fully appreciate the potential advantages, but I think this could be a bad decision...
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Demon of Fides » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:50 am

    I think we would have trouble directly competing with the MCS, since smaller nations would have no room to expand. They are limited to a subforum on a subforum on Bastion, plus they only get one vote/etc per nation.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Harvey » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:59 pm

    It wouldn't be a requirement to be part of the Archipelago simulation to claim though. Nations could do whatever they do now, with their own forums and whatnot.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Scott Alexander » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:04 pm

    Explain what you mean by not having to be part of the Archipelago simulation to claim. I was at least hoping they would be part of our world and get involved in our conflicts and such.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Harvey » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:21 pm

    Did I misinterpret the idea here? I mean with nations like Oscland - they're Oscland the micronation and unlikely to become Oscland the statelet of Archipelago. But they could still claim on our map and do our contests and all that. Is that not the idea?
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Scott Alexander » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:07 pm

    Yeah, I think so.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Orion » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:16 pm

    I have similar concerns as Corey. I mean, what's to stop anyone from Oscland from joining Archipelago now? Nothing really. If they wanted an alternate Oscland here they could have it. Just because we open ourselves up to claims from full-fledged micronations doesn't mean more people are going to join. If those people had wanted to join, I'm fairly certain they would have done it already.

    Furthermore, there's a reason we kept the two separated to begin with. If I wanted to have greater interaction with the community as a whole I might as well have had Apollantis claim on the MCS the same as any other micronation. But it's not a viable proposition (save for being a one-man nation), and thus we have this project to sustain us. Now the small statelets are going to have to compete with the bigger nations, and that's going to put a lot of people off.

    Personally I think we're fine as we are. It's simply that we've already gotten as many people into Archipelago as we're going to from this hobby. We need to branch out into other areas for recruitment: RPG forums, MMORPGs, etc, etc.
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Kallinn Ynnetrrr » Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:25 am

    Ryan wrote:We need to branch out into other areas for recruitment: RPG forums, MMORPGs, etc, etc.


    Which reminds me, I've been sitting on a gold mine of potential new recruits for a while now, but haven't tapped into it yet. I should get on that now...
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    Re: Opening up the Archipelago

    Postby Aryeztur » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:01 am

    If I end up becoming a Professor, I will make this an extra-credit assignment.
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