Eiiard Darkroot wrote:OOC: Shouldn't change much except adding some democracy into the country. Right now a few demesnes elect their Rep anyway, this just encourages the practice. Demesnes can even elect both of their Reps if they want to simulate more elections.A BILL to AMEND the CAPRINE CODE of the
BOVIC EMPIRE of the NATOPIAN NATION
An Act to Expand Democracy in the Empire
The following amendments to the Caprine Code are made
Section Two -- The Frenzy
1.1 The Frenzy shall be composed of no more than two Representatives from each Demesne, the first chosen by the government thereof, and the second chosen by the People thereof; and each Representative shall have one vote.
[Bill] Expansion of Democracy
Moderators: (Natopia) Emperor, (Natopia) Chancellor, (Natopia) Speaker of the Frenzy
[Bill] Expansion of Democracy
Emperor of the Natopians
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Lord Speaker,
As the representative for Normark, I fully support this. The government of Normark looks forward to hosting elections for its seat in the Frenzy.
As the representative for Normark, I fully support this. The government of Normark looks forward to hosting elections for its seat in the Frenzy.
Ayreon-Kalirion ibn al-Majeed al-Osman bin Sathrati of Waffel-Paine
Princess of Klaasiya, Duchess of Hoffenheim, Marchioness of Sentratera
Regent of the Imperial Republic and Imperial Minister for the Exterior (Shireroth)
Secretary of Legal Affairs in the Court of Noble Fountain (Natopia)
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Alrodey can surely argue a viewpoint that it is one of the most democratic parts of Natopia. We fully support it.
Just to clarify, will the second delegate be chosen by the people of a demense, or some sort of party list by all Natopians
Just to clarify, will the second delegate be chosen by the people of a demense, or some sort of party list by all Natopians
His Royal Highness Gwyn Moonoak of Waffel-Paine OWE, Duke of Ely, Count of Bellerive, Baron of Klaasisitya
Lord Lieutenant of Alrodey
Lord Lieutenant of Alrodey
Re: [Bill] Expansion of Democracy
Eiiard Darkroot wrote:The second representative will be chosen by the people of the Demesne.
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His Royal Highness Gwyn Moonoak of Waffel-Paine OWE, Duke of Ely, Count of Bellerive, Baron of Klaasisitya
Lord Lieutenant of Alrodey
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Strongly support this piece of legislation!
Just in case: let’s pretend that Natopia becomes superpopular and we’ll need to maybe think about making more room to be inclusive. How can we add more seats?
Also - can the demesnes prescribe what elected means? Right now I am the only active person in my demesne... would be difficult to have an election if it’s just me. (Another example to plan for.)
Just in case: let’s pretend that Natopia becomes superpopular and we’ll need to maybe think about making more room to be inclusive. How can we add more seats?
Also - can the demesnes prescribe what elected means? Right now I am the only active person in my demesne... would be difficult to have an election if it’s just me. (Another example to plan for.)
Chancellor of the Bovic Empire of the Natopian Nation
Member of the Frenzy
Most Serene Union of Demesnes, Natopia
Lord High Steward and First Secretary of the Most Serene Government (1663-1668)
Dos Gardenias, New Alexandria
(Member of the Central Committee of Edgards.)
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We can add more seats by just adjusting the Caprine Code to allow, 3, 4 or 5 Representatives per Demesne.
And yea, the demesnes still decide what an "election" means, so a simulated or even just a simple post about how so and so won an election and is now the Rep is sufficient.
And yea, the demesnes still decide what an "election" means, so a simulated or even just a simple post about how so and so won an election and is now the Rep is sufficient.
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Did we do away with the Imperial Conference?Nathan II wrote:We can add more seats by just adjusting the Caprine Code to allow, 3, 4 or 5 Representatives per Demesne.
And yea, the demesnes still decide what an "election" means, so a simulated or even just a simple post about how so and so won an election and is now the Rep is sufficient.
I'm thinking if this is all simulated, it could potentially cause a confusion of the OOC rule for 1 person 1 vote. It might not, though.
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No one used it so we removed it. The Frenzy has always been an awkward fusion of OOC and IC, and the OOC rule of 1 real person 1 vote has to be enforced OOC, so it would be hard to write into the Caprine Code.
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Excellent! Sounds like a plan to me.Nathan II wrote:We can add more seats by just adjusting the Caprine Code to allow, 3, 4 or 5 Representatives per Demesne.
And yea, the demesnes still decide what an "election" means, so a simulated or even just a simple post about how so and so won an election and is now the Rep is sufficient.
Chancellor of the Bovic Empire of the Natopian Nation
Member of the Frenzy
Most Serene Union of Demesnes, Natopia
Lord High Steward and First Secretary of the Most Serene Government (1663-1668)
Dos Gardenias, New Alexandria
(Member of the Central Committee of Edgards.)
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Nathan II wrote:No one used it so we removed it. The Frenzy has always been an awkward fusion of OOC and IC, and the OOC rule of 1 real person 1 vote has to be enforced OOC, so it would be hard to write into the Caprine Code.
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Eiiard Darkroot wrote:Lord Speaker,
I move to vote.
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I second!
Ayreon-Kalirion ibn al-Majeed al-Osman bin Sathrati of Waffel-Paine
Princess of Klaasiya, Duchess of Hoffenheim, Marchioness of Sentratera
Regent of the Imperial Republic and Imperial Minister for the Exterior (Shireroth)
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Aye.
Chancellor of the Bovic Empire of the Natopian Nation
Member of the Frenzy
Most Serene Union of Demesnes, Natopia
Lord High Steward and First Secretary of the Most Serene Government (1663-1668)
Dos Gardenias, New Alexandria
(Member of the Central Committee of Edgards.)
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Lords and Ladies of the Frenzy,
Voting will continue until Wednesday.
Voting will continue until Wednesday.
Count of Norrström (Natopia)
Count of Machinaria, Viscount Sprocket of Machinaria (Shireroth)
Speaker of the Frenzy
Prætor of the Landsraad
Nathan and/or Ric
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Eiiard Darkroot: Aye
Emperor of the Natopians
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Voting has ended and this has passed. It will be presented for Imperial Assent.
Count of Norrström (Natopia)
Count of Machinaria, Viscount Sprocket of Machinaria (Shireroth)
Speaker of the Frenzy
Prætor of the Landsraad
Nathan and/or Ric
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Assent granted, Code has been amended.
Count of Norrström (Natopia)
Count of Machinaria, Viscount Sprocket of Machinaria (Shireroth)
Speaker of the Frenzy
Prætor of the Landsraad
Nathan and/or Ric