Let's solve the Norfolk issue
- Mira Octavius-Aryani
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
All in all, I'm happy that we're nailing down another ambiguity left over from before the Imperial States.
Should MoMA Stations be renamed, then?
Should MoMA Stations be renamed, then?
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Nothing better for the East than to unite against the Western madmen.Aryeztur wrote:It looks like Kildare and Aryasht finally have something in common to fight for (see other threads).
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Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Why renamed?Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote: Should MoMA Stations be renamed, then?
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
- Mira Octavius-Aryani
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Ach, in case they aren't rented (not sold) to MoMA, you mean?Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote:Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Yeah, but are they forts or naval stations? I always assumed they were naval stations by the use of the word "station" in the name and given Norfolk's history of being the apogee of Shirerithian naval prowess.Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote:Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
They were meant to be used by the Fleet, so I asume you aren't mistaking.Choygal Kamala wrote:Yeah, but are they forts or naval stations? I always assumed they were naval stations by the use of the word "station" in the name and given Norfolk's history of being the apogee of Shirerithian naval prowess.Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote:Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
- Mira Octavius-Aryani
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
State stations. Yes.
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- Sea Elf, Sea Elf Run
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Well what it could accomplish is this: X has sovereignty over Y but ZJonas wrote:Yeah, Aryasht and Kildare really want to create some Guantanamo Bay detention camps... you really want us not to make a deal with the government, huh?Thadeus Melanje II wrote:Selling land at reasonable prices or leasing it at reasonable prices would be great for our economy.ooc:
Leases are airtight too... see the us base leased from cuba pre revolution...it still is enforceable..
has a lease on Y which means it has a legally and militarily enforceable
right to the land.
I would propose a hybrid approach to the Raynor Isles: the islands
remain Kildari, except for Gull Island perhaps, but are leased as needed
by Aryasht in exchange for an agreeable sum and stipulations regarding
how they can be used and right to free passage, etc.
About Guantanamo: The early Castro regime cashed one of the initial
rent checks by accident, making the treaty in effect for them too. Rent
checks are still sent to the Cuban government, and reportedly stuffed
into a desk drawer, never opened. Two reasons Cuba has never
violated the lease and ordered America off its land: a) it was specified
in a treaty and b) a huge minefield surrounding the base.
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
I'm just going to ignore you now... that's best for both our health...
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
"He who refuses to negotiate falls prey to sneak attack."
-- Old Montaukan Proverb
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
http://bastionunion.org/forum/viewtopic ... 483#p90483Thadeus Melanje II wrote:"He who refuses to negotiate falls prey to sneak attack."
-- Old Montaukan Proverb
"Since neither Aryeztur nor Vasroe are authorized to speak on behalf of Aryasht"
"Only Vasroe is such a fool that he seriously thinks he's negotiating."
-- old Raynor Isle Proverb
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
- Tokaray al-Osman
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Subject to finalising the particulars - that works for me. They would still be MoMA bases once the leases were confirmed but on state land. The naval stations would thus be state owned but Imperially administered (a little like the arrangement the USAF has for its airfields in the United Kingdom).Jonas wrote:I would like to confirm that this was agreed upon by both our States, for those who think that the Prince is acting on his own.Choygal Kamala wrote:Here's something for the Imperial government to mull over:
Kildare keeps Halifax, Aryasht keeps Chatham.Together they fight crime.Together they will be leased to the Imperial government, and thus MoMA, under an as yet to be written contract for X number of years (one for each base), at the expiration of which the contract can be renewed or renegotiated. The lease agreements will allow the bases to remain as they are without any need for changes, and the lease payment can be made annually to ease the burden on the Imperial coffers.
I think that's a fair offer.
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
It all depends on the outcome of Norfolk negotiations, of course. Kildare insists on keeping Tymaria City (which would otherwise simply change into a simple Aryashti city anyway with a vague Kildarian past) and its other fair requests (as we're the ones giving up the land, in the end). If that isn't arranged, talks about the naval bases would be rather difficult. But I wouldn't mind if MoMA already starts writing a standard agreement for the lease, so we can fill those in once we're done here.
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
That is my thoughts on the matter as well.Tokaray al-Osman wrote:Subject to finalising the particulars - that works for me. They would still be MoMA bases once the leases were confirmed but on state land. The naval stations would thus be state owned but Imperially administered (a little like the arrangement the USAF has for its airfields in the United Kingdom).Jonas wrote:I would like to confirm that this was agreed upon by both our States, for those who think that the Prince is acting on his own.Choygal Kamala wrote:Here's something for the Imperial government to mull over:
Kildare keeps Halifax, Aryasht keeps Chatham.Together they fight crime.Together they will be leased to the Imperial government, and thus MoMA, under an as yet to be written contract for X number of years (one for each base), at the expiration of which the contract can be renewed or renegotiated. The lease agreements will allow the bases to remain as they are without any need for changes, and the lease payment can be made annually to ease the burden on the Imperial coffers.
I think that's a fair offer.
I'm fine with sacrificing Tymaria City. And you previously stated that we'll be able to keep Ziba. Ashk Darya is presently a monastic nature preserve (see relevant thread), but I imagine you'll militarize it. The ball is in Benkern's court now.Jonas wrote:It all depends on the outcome of Norfolk negotiations, of course. Kildare insists on keeping Tymaria City (which would otherwise simply change into a simple Aryashti city anyway with a vague Kildarian past) and its other fair requests (as we're the ones giving up the land, in the end). If that isn't arranged, talks about the naval bases would be rather difficult. But I wouldn't mind if MoMA already starts writing a standard agreement for the lease, so we can fill those in once we're done here.
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
I'm considering letting some catologian monks enter the monastery. The current non-catologian monks who are too old to move or start anew will have the option to stay. Not everything has to be protected by just soldiers. Clergy is rather useful too.Choygal Kamala wrote: I'm fine with sacrificing Tymaria City. And you previously stated that we'll be able to keep Ziba. Ashk Darya is presently a monastic nature preserve (see relevant thread), but I imagine you'll militarize it. The ball is in Benkern's court now.
(Perhaps we should draw a map to show the outlines of the treaty?)
Important characters:
Frederik Alfons des Vinandy-Paravel, King of Batavia
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Joseph Bartholomeus des Vinandy-Windsor, Prince-Regent of Batavia
Jin San, Diwang of Jingdao, Duke of Kildare
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
I think I need a FNORD for conflict resolution for starting this thread.
Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
I'll split it with you.
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Tymaria can be given to the graveyard Dutchy, then.
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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue
Ok, I think we have a deal then. Just need to wait for Jonas to sober up now.