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Re: Let's solve the Norfolk issue

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All in all, I'm happy that we're nailing down another ambiguity left over from before the Imperial States.

Should MoMA Stations be renamed, then?
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Aryeztur wrote:It looks like Kildare and Aryasht finally have something in common to fight for (see other threads).
Nothing better for the East than to unite against the Western madmen. :wink:
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Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote: Should MoMA Stations be renamed, then?
Why renamed?
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Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?

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Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote:Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Ach, in case they aren't rented (not sold) to MoMA, you mean?
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Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote:Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Yeah, but are they forts or naval stations? I always assumed they were naval stations by the use of the word "station" in the name and given Norfolk's history of being the apogee of Shirerithian naval prowess.

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Choygal Kamala wrote:
Mira Octavius-Aryani wrote:Not really MoMA Stations if they're state forts, are they?
Yeah, but are they forts or naval stations? I always assumed they were naval stations by the use of the word "station" in the name and given Norfolk's history of being the apogee of Shirerithian naval prowess.
They were meant to be used by the Fleet, so I asume you aren't mistaking. :wink:
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State stations. Yes.

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Jonas wrote:
Thadeus Melanje II wrote:Selling land at reasonable prices or leasing it at reasonable prices would be great for our economy.ooc:
Leases are airtight too... see the us base leased from cuba pre revolution...it still is enforceable..
Yeah, Aryasht and Kildare really want to create some Guantanamo Bay detention camps... you really want us not to make a deal with the government, huh? :wink:
Well what it could accomplish is this: X has sovereignty over Y but Z
has a lease on Y which means it has a legally and militarily enforceable
right to the land.

I would propose a hybrid approach to the Raynor Isles: the islands
remain Kildari, except for Gull Island perhaps, but are leased as needed
by Aryasht in exchange for an agreeable sum and stipulations regarding
how they can be used and right to free passage, etc.

About Guantanamo: The early Castro regime cashed one of the initial
rent checks by accident, making the treaty in effect for them too. Rent
checks are still sent to the Cuban government, and reportedly stuffed
into a desk drawer, never opened. Two reasons Cuba has never
violated the lease and ordered America off its land: a) it was specified
in a treaty and b) a huge minefield surrounding the base.

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I'm just going to ignore you now... that's best for both our health... ;)
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"He who refuses to negotiate falls prey to sneak attack."
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Thadeus Melanje II wrote:
"He who refuses to negotiate falls prey to sneak attack."
-- Old Montaukan Proverb
http://bastionunion.org/forum/viewtopic ... 483#p90483
"Since neither Aryeztur nor Vasroe are authorized to speak on behalf of Aryasht"
"Only Vasroe is such a fool that he seriously thinks he's negotiating."
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Jonas wrote:
Choygal Kamala wrote:Here's something for the Imperial government to mull over:

Kildare keeps Halifax, Aryasht keeps Chatham. Together they fight crime. Together they will be leased to the Imperial government, and thus MoMA, under an as yet to be written contract for X number of years (one for each base), at the expiration of which the contract can be renewed or renegotiated. The lease agreements will allow the bases to remain as they are without any need for changes, and the lease payment can be made annually to ease the burden on the Imperial coffers.

I think that's a fair offer.
I would like to confirm that this was agreed upon by both our States, for those who think that the Prince is acting on his own. :wink:
Subject to finalising the particulars - that works for me. They would still be MoMA bases once the leases were confirmed but on state land. The naval stations would thus be state owned but Imperially administered (a little like the arrangement the USAF has for its airfields in the United Kingdom).
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It all depends on the outcome of Norfolk negotiations, of course. Kildare insists on keeping Tymaria City (which would otherwise simply change into a simple Aryashti city anyway with a vague Kildarian past) and its other fair requests (as we're the ones giving up the land, in the end). If that isn't arranged, talks about the naval bases would be rather difficult. But I wouldn't mind if MoMA already starts writing a standard agreement for the lease, so we can fill those in once we're done here. ;)
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Tokaray al-Osman wrote:
Jonas wrote:
Choygal Kamala wrote:Here's something for the Imperial government to mull over:

Kildare keeps Halifax, Aryasht keeps Chatham. Together they fight crime. Together they will be leased to the Imperial government, and thus MoMA, under an as yet to be written contract for X number of years (one for each base), at the expiration of which the contract can be renewed or renegotiated. The lease agreements will allow the bases to remain as they are without any need for changes, and the lease payment can be made annually to ease the burden on the Imperial coffers.

I think that's a fair offer.
I would like to confirm that this was agreed upon by both our States, for those who think that the Prince is acting on his own. :wink:
Subject to finalising the particulars - that works for me. They would still be MoMA bases once the leases were confirmed but on state land. The naval stations would thus be state owned but Imperially administered (a little like the arrangement the USAF has for its airfields in the United Kingdom).
That is my thoughts on the matter as well.
Jonas wrote:It all depends on the outcome of Norfolk negotiations, of course. Kildare insists on keeping Tymaria City (which would otherwise simply change into a simple Aryashti city anyway with a vague Kildarian past) and its other fair requests (as we're the ones giving up the land, in the end). If that isn't arranged, talks about the naval bases would be rather difficult. But I wouldn't mind if MoMA already starts writing a standard agreement for the lease, so we can fill those in once we're done here. ;)
I'm fine with sacrificing Tymaria City. And you previously stated that we'll be able to keep Ziba. Ashk Darya is presently a monastic nature preserve (see relevant thread), but I imagine you'll militarize it. The ball is in Benkern's court now.

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Choygal Kamala wrote: I'm fine with sacrificing Tymaria City. And you previously stated that we'll be able to keep Ziba. Ashk Darya is presently a monastic nature preserve (see relevant thread), but I imagine you'll militarize it. The ball is in Benkern's court now.
I'm considering letting some catologian monks enter the monastery. The current non-catologian monks who are too old to move or start anew will have the option to stay. Not everything has to be protected by just soldiers. Clergy is rather useful too. :wink:

(Perhaps we should draw a map to show the outlines of the treaty?)
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I think I need a FNORD for conflict resolution for starting this thread.

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I'll split it with you. ;)

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Tymaria can be given to the graveyard Dutchy, then.
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Ok, I think we have a deal then. Just need to wait for Jonas to sober up now. :p

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