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    [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby sick39ed » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:50 pm

    The Florian Parliament hereby motions for the proposed War Neutrality Act 6674 ASC


    [b]In Favour:34.37%
    Against: 11.72%
    Abstain: 53.90%
    The proposed legislation has failed to pass however the President is yet to make a decision over a veto.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Juana Beazcoetxea » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:35 pm

    The High Commission urges in the strongest ways possible the President to veto the motion.

    For as long as the Protectorate Treaty is in force, the Florian Republic is bound to follow the foreign and defence policies of the Imperial Republic of Shireroth. Shireroth is at war, at the urging of the Florian Republic. The treaty expires, as per the will of the Florian government, in mid January. Until then, we're stuck together unless we mutually agree on a different timeframe.

    Further, the USSO declared war on the Florian Republic. The Florian Republic cannot declare itself neutral in a conflict that it is party to. When an invading force enters your home, you cannot say "I am neutral". You have to fight to keep your house free, or you surrender.

    The Florian Republic has no power to surrender until the expiry of the treaty. Until then, you remain Shireroth's protectorate, and according with the treaty that the Florian Republic requested, Shireroth will protect the Florian Republic.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Zibertian Kind » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:06 pm

    Further, the USSO declared war on the Florian Republic. The Florian Republic cannot declare itself neutral in a conflict that it is party to. When an invading force enters your home, you cannot say "I am neutral". You have to fight to keep your house free, or you surrender.


    First of all, the USSO hasn't declared war on the Florian Republic. You will find no declaration of war by the USSO against the Florian Republic. The USSO has expressed that it is prepared to declare war should the need arise, but that time has not yet come. Secondly, the Florian Republic is well within its right to declare neutrality in this war. If it wishes to avoid any further involvement in this war then it should unilaterally seek to surrender on the basis that it will terminate its treaties with Shireroth. There are multiple avenues out of this conflict for the Florian Republic, regardless of the desperate pleas of Shireroth. Should the Florian Republic seek to remove itself from the conflict then Passio-Corum would be happy to mediate negotiations.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Ryker » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:42 am

    Shireroth does not recognize Passio-Corum or any other Member of the USSO as having the objectivity required to mediate negotiations between the Florian Republic and the Jing.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Zibertian Kind » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:47 am

    If the Florian Republic wishes to unilaterally negotiate for peace then Shireroth's position is moot. No matter what Shireroth might try to convey, the Florian Republic is free to terminate its treaties with whomever it wants at whatever time. At the end of the day, it'll be ok. In the very worst case Shireroth would aggressively invade the Florian Republic for itself. In which case it would be showing its true colors.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Kalgachi Envoy » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:09 am

    To an extent the Garden of Kalgachia would agree with the Passio-Corum representative, albeit for different reasons - the diplomatic credibility of the Florian Republic has been utterly destroyed by the repeated myopic caprice of its current administration and the provisions of any treaty to which it is nominally committed are, in fact, fast becoming universally worthless and therefore invalid. The innate incompetence of the Florian government can be seen everywhere, from its flip-flopping over Xhusor and its blithe acceptance of obvious Shirerithian exploitation (and a clumsy response to its belated realisation of this) to allowing foreign diplomats to comment freely in its own Parliament, as we do now. Every one of the Florian Republic's misfortunes, although involving others, can ultimately be traced to its own foolish actions and oversights.

    Among certain faraway observers without a direct interest in the situation, there is nonetheless a combination of sick amusement and creeping despair at the collapse of professional conduct by those in and around the Florian Republic, which not only makes a mockery of the Republic's claim to function as a sovereign power (hence Kalgachia's recent vote against Florian MTO membership) but also, by readily distracting so many other nations with its febrile spasms, bodes ill for the civilised world at large.

    At this stage it would perhaps be best if the rabid Florian hound is left to expire in the pool of frothy vomit it has created, lest others be infected by its sickness.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby sick39ed » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:53 am

    Jessica Smith refuses to veto the motion. The Florian Republic agrees with Passio-Corum over the issue.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby The Tarjeisson Trust » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:16 pm

    I suppose my only question is why would the President be applying a veto to legislation that failed to pass (when presumably it did pass, taking the abstentions out of consideration).

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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Ryker » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:01 pm

    There are no actual written laws is why, save the ones we made.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Craitman » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:19 pm

    Ryker wrote:Shireroth does not recognize Passio-Corum or any other Member of the USSO as having the objectivity required to mediate negotiations between the Florian Republic and the Jing.

    I'm sure more knowledgeable Shirerithians appreciate Craitland's objectivity - although conversely we'd also not touch mediating this situation with a ten-foot barge-pole...
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Ryker » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:23 pm

    Of course we didn't mean you. To even imply that the Craits are anything but the epitome of neutrality would be a cardinal sin indeed.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby Zibertian Kind » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:24 pm

    sick39ed wrote:Jessica Smith refuses to veto the motion. The Florian Republic agrees with Passio-Corum over the issue.


    If the Florian Republic agrees with the position of Passio-Corum then its military is urged to begin laying down its arms at once, and its government is urged to begin the process of publicly and officially disavowing all of its ties to Shireroth. Passio-Corum is prepared to deploy military and political advisors to aid the Florian Republic in this process, should advisors be desired or required.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby sick39ed » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:59 pm

    The Florian Parliament will do a motion on this proposal.
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    Re: [Motion] Enactment of the War neutrality Act

    Postby sick39ed » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:25 pm

    The Florian Parliament hereby motions for the proposed action to deploy military and political advisors from Passio-Corum

    In favour:15.52%
    Against:19.19%

    Abstain:65.28%
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