Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
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Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
Vowels
Short
a, i, o, u
e allophone of i depending on environment
Long
â, î, ô, û
ê allophone of î depending on environment
Consonants
Main dividing line between voiced and unvoiced consonants.
Phonotactics
No voiceless consonants between vowels, either voiced or voiceless consonants at the beginning of a word. Sounds within parenthesis are allophones. Syllable structure CV(C).
Stress decided by syllable weight. Suffixes are not counted.
1. Long vowel in closed syllable.
2. Long vowel in open syllable.
3. Closed syllable.
4. Penultimate syllable.
Example: /'kablak/
Rule 3 applies to both syllables, therefore the stress is determined according to rule 4.
Short
a, i, o, u
e allophone of i depending on environment
Long
â, î, ô, û
ê allophone of î depending on environment
Consonants
Main dividing line between voiced and unvoiced consonants.
Phonotactics
No voiceless consonants between vowels, either voiced or voiceless consonants at the beginning of a word. Sounds within parenthesis are allophones. Syllable structure CV(C).
Stress decided by syllable weight. Suffixes are not counted.
1. Long vowel in closed syllable.
2. Long vowel in open syllable.
3. Closed syllable.
4. Penultimate syllable.
Example: /'kablak/
Rule 3 applies to both syllables, therefore the stress is determined according to rule 4.
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
How would the blue sounds be written?
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
The traditional transliteration is sh, zh and x. That makes the transliteration irregular, so the Institute is considering amending it.
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
wh sound should be [ʍ], I'm not quite sure what sort of double l you are indicating (presumably a voiceless l). Furthermore, the n should be alveolar, or denti-alveolar at most. An entirely dental n is nearly impossible to pronounce.
And the symbol used for the x is what is used to point out a ch sound, the sound in the dutch 'nacht' for instance. The sound used for the x is a combination of the k and the s. Or in English, often the g is used. (exotic = /ɪɡˈzɒtɪk/)
But it's great to see phonetics used here.
And the symbol used for the x is what is used to point out a ch sound, the sound in the dutch 'nacht' for instance. The sound used for the x is a combination of the k and the s. Or in English, often the g is used. (exotic = /ɪɡˈzɒtɪk/)
But it's great to see phonetics used here.
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
Malliki: /l ɬ/ are alveolar, not dental. The former is a lateral approximant, the latter a lateral fricative.
Jack: <ll> /ɬ/. And /x/ is the voiceless velar fricative, not /ks/.
Jack: <ll> /ɬ/. And /x/ is the voiceless velar fricative, not /ks/.
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
As I understand it, the black letters are orthographic representations of the tabled sounds, while the blue are actual phonetic sounds.
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Holy shit, are you all lecturing linguists all of a sudden? It's a mix of IPA signs and transliterations because when I made the image I didn't have time to find the correct symbols in Word. It is also a work in progress. Now fuck off.
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
/ɬ/ is an alveolar lateral fricative, not a dental approximant.HIM Lina VII wrote:Jack: <ll> /ɬ/. And /x/ is the voiceless velar fricative, not /ks/.
And Maliki said that the transliteration was /x/ which means that the voiceless velar fricative cannot be meant here, since the voiceless velar fricative would be transliterated as kh. The symbol used here is the voiceless velar fricative indeed, as in the Dutch ch sound, a sound that doesn't exist in English.
However, it seems that Maliki meant the actual letter x, which can be pronounced in very different ways /ks/ being the most prominent way in Dutch, in English /gs/ or /gz/.
I just passed my advanced phonetics test, so I know a bit about it. I realise that it's a work in progress, but I was just trying to be helpful... Also, I use this website for phonetic/phonemic transcription. You are welcome.Malliki Nur Pinito wrote:Holy shit, are you all lecturing linguists all of a sudden? It's a mix of IPA signs and transliterations because when I made the image I didn't have time to find the correct symbols in Word. It is also a work in progress. Now fuck off.
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2.Eki Aholibamah Verion, Queen in the North
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
I didn't mean the letter x, it's supposed to be the voiceless uvular fricative. Thank you. You can consider the "fuck off" comment to be exclusively directed at the blue devil.
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Re: Sanillan language: Sounds, phonotactics
Consonant image updated. Thanks Jack for that link, very good site.
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