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Ludovic:

Alignment:
Lawful Good ----- XXXX (4)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15)
Lawful Neutral -- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (21)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (26)
Lawful Evil ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (25)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (31)
Chaotic Evil ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (36)

Law & Chaos:
Law ----- XXXX (4)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Chaos --- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15)

Good & Evil:
Good ---- (0)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXX (11)
Evil ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (21)
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So I’m wondering would Jingdao be considered lawful neutral or lawful evil?
I mean is there even a real distinction between the two?

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It's more like chaotic evil...
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Well I know that’s not correct because they hold the law and the person who is the embodiment of their law in the highest regard.
If they were chaotic evil there would be no law, no loyalty to the heavenly light. So I’m sure that they’d be in the lawful spectrum.

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How do you differentiate between lawful -good, -neutral –evil? Considering that lawful people keep the law in the highest regard no matter what that law is. I would even argue that morality has no place in lawful characters.

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By the way I would think Aurelia is neutral good.

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Its the kind of laws they live by.
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Aurelia Myksos wrote:How do you differentiate between lawful -good, -neutral –evil? Considering that lawful people keep the law in the highest regard no matter what that law is. I would even argue that morality has no place in lawful characters.
Since Jingdao uses the apocalypse not so much as an ending than as a rather unevenly distributed form of punctuation, let us say that the Heavenly Light is chaotic evil, while his followers are lawful neutral / lawful evil on a sliding scale of indoctrination and complicity.

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Ryker wrote:Its the kind of laws they live by.
If that was the case lawful characters would just be true neutral

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Think of it like this: hilter is lawful-evil (by pretty much anyone's standards). He did bad things and justified them through law and order. Meanwhile, someone like a mindless bureaucrat wo just follows protocol is lawful neutral, and a knight in shining armor who lives by a righteous code of honor, humility and tradition would be lawful good.
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Ryker wrote:Think of it like this: hilter is lawful-evil (by pretty much anyone's standards). He did bad things and justified them through law and order. Meanwhile, someone like a mindless bureaucrat wo just follows protocol is lawful neutral, and a knight in shining armor who lives by a righteous code of honor, humility and tradition would be lawful good.
Actually, Hitler was pretty much the definition of chaotic evil. His decisions were arbitrary, his powers were unconstrained by any law save his own whims and such legal instruments as his regime did promulgate were often illegal in their own right under German law or else were after the fact formalisations of a course of action that had already been embarked upon. The entire point of the system of Führerprinzip was that all the mechanisms of state governance were working towards interpreting and best representing the leader's vague and nebulously formulated desires - in the case of the Final Solution this was entirely intentional since it was important to ensure that the regime did not leave a paper trail of authorisations leading from Berlin from to the subordinates in the SS and other agencies running the 'evacuations' to the east. One consequence of this mode of governance was that the remits of the various Reich ministries and other significant agencies such as the SS and the Nazi Party itself were never clearly delineated and Hitler's style of leadership was to encourage his subordinates to fight it out amongst themselves, a sort of social-darwnism in policy making. As a consequence the Nazi government was shockingly chaotic and the most remarkable thing is that the whole ramshackle and squabbling system held together as long as it did.
Hmm. Something like that. Lawful is lawful and while the intentions of the lawmaker or law enforcer are seldom consciously to cause evil they can be evil in their effect if the effect is to cause deliberate harm to the defenceless or the blameless (excluding the definition of blameless in the Jingdaoese system of morality where anyone who fails to sing hosannas to the Emperor is essentially a baishen (sp)).

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Thorgils Tarjeisson wrote:
Ryker wrote:Think of it like this: hilter is lawful-evil (by pretty much anyone's standards). He did bad things and justified them through law and order. Meanwhile, someone like a mindless bureaucrat wo just follows protocol is lawful neutral, and a knight in shining armor who lives by a righteous code of honor, humility and tradition would be lawful good.
Actually, Hitler was pretty much the definition of chaotic evil. His decisions were arbitrary, his powers were unconstrained by any law save his own whims and such legal instruments as his regime did promulgate were often illegal in their own right under German law or else were after the fact formalisations of a course of action that had already been embarked upon. The entire point of the system of Führerprinzip was that all the mechanisms of state governance were working towards interpreting and best representing the leader's vague and nebulously formulated desires - in the case of the Final Solution this was entirely intentional since it was important to ensure that the regime did not leave a paper trail of authorisations leading from Berlin from to the subordinates in the SS and other agencies running the 'evacuations' to the east. One consequence of this mode of governance was that the remits of the various Reich ministries and other significant agencies such as the SS and the Nazi Party itself were never clearly delineated and Hitler's style of leadership was to encourage his subordinates to fight it out amongst themselves, a sort of social-darwnism in policy making. As a consequence the Nazi government was shockingly chaotic and the most remarkable thing is that the whole ramshackle and squabbling system held together as long as it did.
Hmm. Something like that. Lawful is lawful and while the intentions of the lawmaker or law enforcer are seldom consciously to cause evil they can be evil in their effect if the effect is to cause deliberate harm to the defenceless or the blameless (excluding the definition of blameless in the Jingdaoese system of morality where anyone who fails to sing hosannas to the Emperor is essentially a baishen (sp)).


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Also people remember, morality and good/evil are not universal concepts and are meaningless except for the meaning we personally give to them :geek: .

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Aurelia Myksos wrote: Also people remember, morality and good/evil are not universal concepts and are meaningless except for the meaning we personally give to them :geek: .
Useless Godwin's-law invoking (as if that law even has meaning since of course the most salient event of the 20th century is going to cast shade upon all manner of discussions for centuries to come... until something worse happens) relativist. :madviking:

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had to think of this vid.

Really the d&d alignment system cannot really be used in real life because people are more complex,
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Aurelia Myksos wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc8Ubesn9GA[/youtube]
had to think of this vid.

Really the d&d alignment system cannot really be used in real life because people are more complex,
If by more complex you mean fearful, greedy, hypocritical pleasure seeking meat-sacks... yes, absolutely. :-D

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The trinity of Melanje:
Thadeus Lange Jr is highly lawful good.
Yraite Ergonak is highly neutral good.
Roberto Melanje is highly chaotic good.

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Man and I thought my good/evil doesn’t exists statement would be the most depressing dollar store philosophy that would be uttered in this forum

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Roberto Melanje wrote:The trinity of Melanje:
Thadeus Lange Jr is highly lawful good.
Yraite Ergonak is highly neutral good.
Roberto Melanje is highly chaotic good.
Thadeus Lange Jr is highly lawful good trying to turn SCUE into a Ponzi scheme .
Yraite Ergonak is highly neutral good a Nigerian... sorry an Arkon... 419 fraudster.
Roberto Melanje is highly chaotic good an insane practitioner of cargo-cult science.
:salute:

(edit: apologies - I got Roberto and Thadeus the wrong way around... now corrected)
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