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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Ivo Angus » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:03 am

Awesome. Why don't we modify the Micran map?
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Naian the Evergreen » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:55 pm

We can, just waiting on Walstadt reduction resolution to pass so we can do it all at once as a courtesy to the MCS admins.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Lord Erion » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:47 pm

Indeed, we need to keep the number of individual claims to a minimum and submit as many in bulk as possible if we are likely to have a number of changes in any given month.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Naian the Evergreen » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:27 pm

Preliminary map of overdue, recent, and pending updates, to be sent to the MCS.

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Elijah's Rest un-striped (overdue)
Elijah's Rest icon from city to regional capital (overdue)
New Aquitane-Arboria border dotted to indicate union (pending)
St. Christipher's icon from city to regional capital (overdue)
Princely Island renamed Princely Isle (per request)
Neridia-Istvanistan border dotted to indicate union (recent)
Sororiya-Universalis-Flaventia borders solid to indicate break-up (recent)
Oakham icon from capital to city (overdue)
Augustus border to indicate cession to Arboria (recent)

If anyone wants other changes make 'em now ;)
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Janus Eadric » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:42 pm

We actually have some internal modifications we want to do at the Most Serene Union. Here's a preview of the maps we will be unveiling soon:

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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Noor bint Daniyal » Thu Aug 04, 2016 10:37 am

Janus Eadric wrote:We actually have some internal modifications we want to do at the Most Serene Union. Here's a preview of the maps we will be unveiling soon:

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Well, Istvanistan is still a demesne, even if it transferred to you. The borders of the demesne of Istvanistan ought to be shown. But I like the proposed subdivision names :D
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Janus Eadric » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:15 pm

Well, then I'm not sure how to display demesne borders and county borders then. To be honest, the county borders are the ones that matter the most, Istvanistan for all purposes is considered in the Most Serene Union as Neridia. The terms are used interchangeably. One day I'd like that to be reflected in the Caprine Code, but of course, that will be a fight for another day.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Noor bint Daniyal » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:10 pm

That's a tricky question, I agree.

One option, I suppose, is to regard Istvanistan a bit like New England, a loose collection of counties/states, but with no official government of its own. Istavnistan's own government would then have to be delegated to that of Neridia and the counties.

As no demesne can be removed without the Emperor's proposal, and the overwhelming majority of the Frenzy, it ought at least to be shown. I am not sure about what to do with the borders, as the MCS only allows for two types of internal borders, not three. Perhaps the county borders could be dotted but in a different colour, and ask for the MCS to recognize that given the peculiarities and uniqueness of the situation. The hierarchy of borders should be Union borders, Demesne borders, other borders, even if the demesne itself does not fill any administrative role in the government any more.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Janus Eadric » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:40 pm

One option, I suppose, is to regard Istvanistan a bit like New England, a loose collection of counties/states, but with no official government of its own. Istavnistan's own government would then have to be delegated to that of Neridia and the counties.


I'd be friendly to this! I mean, I've trended more towards using Istvanistan as the name of the island itself, a geographical term separated from the current political reality/organization.

I'll have to present a new map taking this into consideration when I get back early next week then. Any help on this would be welcome!
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Gwyneth Angus-Moonoak » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:54 pm

Nice names indeed as well as nice developments.

As regards the borders, I think it's important that demesnal borders exist. Exist for as long as a demesne is so recognised by the Caprine Code. Otherwise, we will be running into the situation of whether a name in the Code refers to the pre-border or post-border changes, etc. I'll be supportive of the governmental changes you'd wish to bring, its natural that you do, and I think the entire Frenzy will.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Naian the Evergreen » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:47 pm

I don't think there's a reason to re-do the county map as proposed. As Queen Noor suggested, the border of the Demesne of Istvanistan can effectively be "ignored" from the perspective of the MSU as the MSU has full control over the entire island, there is really no practical difference between the Demesne of Istvanistan and the Demesne of Neridia from its point of view. So these maps and borders can be used internally. (also, the counties wouldn't be shown on the MCS map anyways, as other sub-sub-divisions like Flaventia's duchies, Egale's counties, etc., are also not shown)
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Lord Erion » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:28 pm

With all due respect, your Majesty, while Istvanistan is indeed now a demensial member of the MSU, there is as yet no agreed relationship between the Duchy and the MSU government. However, even if there were, the Caprine Code states that subdivisions are the responsibility of each respective demesne, and given Istvanistan's responsibility has not been waived, delegated or otherwise altered, that remains the case. Given that the Caprine Code thus infers that subdivisions cannot therefore exist across demesnial borders, the borders between the demesnes of Istvanistan and Neridia can only be altered by mutual agreement if the proposed subdivisions are to be implemented. That there is no ordinary means of displaying them on the MCS map is of no relevance as we can always produce our own large scale maps if we have sufficient resources to do so.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Naian the Evergreen » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:14 am

I think we're saying the same thing... I was suggesting a way for the MSU to use their counties internally without affecting the maps we submit to the MCS. No matter how Istvanistan and the MSU decide to organize themselves, the border between Neridia and Istvanistan will remain on the official map hosted by the MCS because they're both Demesnes.

I think I see a new city added to Thalassa, so that can be added to the MCS claim :)
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Janus Eadric » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:52 am

We can just leave the map as it stands and add the new city in northern Thalassa then. Did not mean to cause any issues, just reflect the reality of how things are now organized in the Most Serene Union irrespective of others' interpretation of our own administrative realities. :) That is all.

I do however wish to have more information on what Lord Erion just stated - because it seems like despite the demesne being fully transferred by the Frenzy there is no relationship between it and the MSU? I am confused now.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Lord Erion » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:57 pm

We should continue that topic in the MSU then, as this one is supposed just to be about maps.
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Ryker » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:12 pm

Who's in charge of bringing this to the MCS?
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Naian the Evergreen » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:23 pm

Oh yea, I'll go send this their way. :up1:
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Ryker » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:41 am

Do I just leave this here?
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Naian the Evergreen » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:26 pm

Sent ;)
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Re: [Cartography] Maps of Natopia

Postby Asara » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:04 pm

Expansion of Elijah's Rest

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